Is it just me?

[Numeta]

You'll have to try it to see how effective it actually is... It doesn't sound great on paper, but it just works. He doesn't have enough mana to spam Cull and battle hunger. The 25 int is kind of a must. Sure you could go mana boots but tranquils are the best boots on axe and I would never give them up until 35+ minutes in the game.


The delayed blademail is to reflect what ever spells they use to peel you off of them or their team. Stuns, dmg nukes etc. Not so much auto attack reflects.

[Spit-wad]

Axe is one of the only heroes I get Vanguard on. On most other heroes, I'll just get a vit booster and get heart later. ROH is a waste of money.

[ward3n]

My point is they don't need to peel off an axe attacking them dealing like 20 damage with his auto attack. Anyways, even if they are forced to stun you or something, some random player on their team will take an inconsequential amount of damage and you'll be useless from there out. I can definitively say without trying it that it is fucking awful. I went rod of atos on a few str melee type heroes where you would think the cripple + mana pool would be worth it, but it isn't. It fucking sucks. Cripple is pretty damn bad. Intelligence without +mana regen is pretty bad. I would rather have a Euls than rod of atos. Mana boots are decent, tranquil boots + soul ring is amazing, but tranquil boots without soul ring sucks. If you aren't constantly ganking and killing shit with battle hunger, axe is a mediocre jungler and a sub par hero.

also urn is amazing

[Numeta]

Eh the way it works out is soul ring doesn't give you health. It's basically a ring of health(axe's int is shit, the 50% regen doesn't do much ).

If you don't have enough have above 1300+ health 15 minutes in you just won't be able to pressure with ganks. I think you're just running with the "tag lanes with battle hunger and go back jungling" strat. But in order to be able to roam and gank and invade enemy carry lanes you need health, and just as importantly mana. It took me a ton of games with axe to figure out this build : /


Blade mail gives 22 damage, so you just break 100 damage which is exceptionally decent for axe.


As for Atos? 800 cripple cast range is fucking amazing. You can just run up to any hero and battle hunger and walk towards them. They can choose to use their disables to get a distance gap away from you, but all you have to do is cripple a split second before they cast. They will be slowed, and after disables breaks from axe you just run up and taunt them. As for your referencing of mana regen? It comes down to how many cast in a team fight you can use, not how much you will regen in a 30 second team fight. (25int is 1.0 mana regen)

It also just gives you a support range peel for your team, which works incredibly well with being able to peel melee with taunt. As for your experimentation with strength melee heroes using Rod of Atos I can't think of a single one that could actually use it aside from Axe. So that could be clouding your judgement rofl

[ward3n]

HP is pretty irrelevant for pressuring in ganks early, and 15 minutes is way past the time you should already be strongly pressuring them. Soul ring's and urn's 50% mana regen isn't much, but it does add up. Obviously, the main benefit of soul ring is insane mana from the on use, which is what enables the crazy battlehunger play. Sure, midgame you need HP to be able to fight once battlehunger starts falling off, but around the time you are level 5-7 axe should be one of the most dominant heroes in the game. Even at level 3, it's a very easy kill on a sidelane with any useful solo. Because of your early dominance, you can bust out the point booster and hood or w/e and you will have the tankyness to be effective by constantly spamming battle hunger, preventing enemies from even coming to out of their base really.

Also, axe is a strong sidelane solo himself. It's probably better than jungling, especially against a weak lane in a pub, you can completely dumpster them.

[Fwizzo]

I get hood on axe and shivas or heart.

[ward3n]

Rod of atos just sucks because it's so expensive that by the time it's out, there is no more laning phase and in a team fight its fucking useless. Actually rod of atos is just so fucking bad itself, it's mind blowing. On paper it seems great. Vitality booster, wohoo! Staff of wizardry, meh. Staff of wizardry, meh. Cripple sounds good, but it's actually fuckin awful. That slow is so damn irrelevant in a team fight. There are just way better items out there.

[Numeta]

You dump 1700 gold on regen items like soul ring and urn ? O_O? Which would lead to believe that you max battle hunger from jungle, which isn't bad but in the long run of jungle timing fucks you over. I used to 1-2-2 split but now I'm just prone to maxing helix and leaving hunger at rank 1 until level 8. Having a 6 minute level 6 beats having decent battle hunger pressure which is entirely dependent on the match up of heroes in your jungle lane. Higher helix just pays off and speeds up farm and exp gain. I don't know what jungle pattern you do so it's hard to say how or what time you do hit level 6. But I can say for certain if you build a soulring and urn ? You are doing it wrong.


No, 15 minutes is when I stop ganking my lane from the jungle, and start to roam the carry lane. I Always gank from jungle, his ganks are amazing.

Atos only fits on a few heroes like OD, Tinker specifically with march specifically.

I never buy hood unless I'm against Zeus/Magi

[HellSmurf]

u all are doing it wrong. bloodstone => aghanims only way to play axe.

[ward3n]

u all are doing it wrong. bloodstone => aghanims only way to play axe.

done that, it's no joke.

[Numeta]

You dump 1700 gold on regen items like soul ring and urn ? O_O? Which would lead to believe that you max battle hunger from jungle, which isn't bad but in the long run of jungle timing fucks you over. I used to 1-2-2 split but now I'm just prone to maxing helix and leaving hunger at rank 1 until level 8. Having a 6 minute level 6 beats having decent battle hunger pressure which is entirely dependent on the match up of heroes in your jungle lane. Higher helix just pays off and speeds up farm and exp gain. The earlier you can leave the jungle the better. I don't know what jungle pattern you do so it's hard to say how or what time you do hit level 6. But I can say for certain if you build a soulring and urn ? You are doing it wrong.


No, 15 minutes is when I stop ganking my lane from the jungle, and start to roam the carry lane. I Always gank from jungle, his ganks are amazing.

Atos only fits on a few heroes like OD, Tinker specifically with march specifically.



I always went bloodstone blink aghs before I found this build out. Atos aghs is more effective. I do build bloodstone after blink for the atos aghs build though.

[ward3n]

You dump 1700 gold on regen items like soul ring and urn ? O_O? Which would lead to believe that you max battle hunger from jungle, which isn't bad but in the long run of jungle timing fucks you over. I used to 1-2-2 split but now I'm just prone to maxing helix and leaving hunger at rank 1 until level 8. Having a 6 minute level 6 beats having decent battle hunger pressure which is entirely dependent on the match up of heroes in your jungle lane. Higher helix just pays off and speeds up farm and exp gain. I don't know what jungle pattern you do so it's hard to say how or what time you do hit level 6. But I can say for certain if you build a soulring and urn ? You are doing it wrong.


No, 15 minutes is when I stop ganking my lane from the jungle, and start to roam the carry lane. I Always gank from jungle, his ganks are amazing.

Atos only fits on a few heroes like OD, Tinker specifically with march specifically.

I never buy hood unless I'm against Zeus/Magi

yea this argument is at an end honestly i can tell ur axe is fuking shit just study my replays bro

[Numeta]

Study my replays they said

[Numeta]

You must be new here warden.

If you're warden from HoN it would make sense as to why you're so ignorant to logic and mathematics.

[agile_mind]

hon warden is sick man don't diss him

[Password]

Right now, Vanguard has been nerfed to the point where it's worse than it was before all the buffs it got due to "omg vanguard worthless" whine. You really shouldn't get it on any hero unless you get it really fast and your team could really use you manning up.

[ho0k]

i assume you get tranqs boot so ya vanguard might not be so useful

i personally like arcane boot on axe tho

[qweasdzxcdot]

Tranquil Boots > Blade Mail > Shiva. This is DotA101...thought NADotA had better DotA players -_-;

[ho0k]

so ur basically worthless for the first 25 minutes of the game

i guess thats MM 101

[ixmike88]

are u saying chainmail + pms + vita booster > vanguard