Tiny

[snakebite654]

It's perfectly viable, and it's the way Tiny's been played since he started to be picked more often in Dota 1.

Number of Tiny picks so far in qualifiers: 0
Obviously that way of playing isn't very sought after. Some games this style could be viable over the AM or Morph or something like that. He does the DPS. He has the tankiness. His pushing outweighs any other high dps/carry type hero in the game. He has an AoE 2 second stun and the only bad thing about toss is at lvl 16 with Aghs tiny's attack range is outside the threshold for tossing units. Try this in a pub and smash and tell me you don't like what you see.
Tell me he can't farm as much as any other hero with a bfury.

this guy is viable and teams with balls should check it out.

[Rana]

Number of Tiny picks so far in qualifiers: 0
Obviously that way of playing isn't very sought after

That statistic would also indicate that your way of playing it isn't very sought after either.

Try this in a pub and smash and tell me you don't like what you see.

In a pub setting it could work well, but should I also try my stats/shield AM with Diffusal/Dagger or a shotgun QoP in competitive play because they work in pubs?

Tell me he can't farm as much as any other hero with a bfury.

Sure. He can't farm as fast as an AM with a Battle Fury.

I'm not saying this idea has no merit, but I've yet to be convinced.

[5-s]

Wasn't trying to imply a lane vs AM, but here's a few things...
Arcane boots are a nay, I've already said multiple times soul ring fills all mana desires all game for tiny.
Getting ult at six. Let's discuss this topic a bit. Honestly I don't see the harm in it. Most people just go ava/toss up to 8. I agree it can be useful but I prefer to get Grow at 6. More attack damage for last hits (because you will be spending a good portion of time in lane farming) More move speed, which doesn't make a huge difference but treads don't add too late MS so it helps. It also adds 35% dmg to your Toss, which would currently be at level 2. The difference from level 2 to 3 is 75 damage. 35% of 150 is 52.5. So you lose 22.5 damage in choosing Grow at level 6. Worth it? Definitely in this case where you will be farming.
If you farm as decently as an Anti mage does, (keep in mind I'm only comparing to AM as he goes for Battlefury and the big farm game most of the time)
Aghs costs 4200.
Battlefury costs 4350.
Difference here is neglible. Tiny's Aghs upgrade gives 50% cleave, which is greater than 35% cleave of Bfury, on top of siege attack, which does more damage to buildings and it should be unarmored. Technically siege attacks back in WC3 did less damage to Heroes but here it's not the case. Only factor is with buildings.

Not like I'm making the claim that you can take any random here like Earthshaker and give him a midas and have him farm buriza to win a game... Tiny has a very legitimate chance of being a farmed up smash everything in his way carry. Late game a well place Avalanche can stun a couple supports for long enough to kill them straight up.
1v1 a farmed Tiny will beat any other hero in the J4M3.
Craggy adds 5 armor. Farming an AC takes mere minutes with lvl 16+ Aghs, but honestly for myself I prefer manta. That extra MS on top of his already high base with incredibly long range makes a nightmare for scrambling supports.

Honestly what confuses me most is the pure initial, unwavering dissent. It's a good argument about a better hero. This guy is ridiculous and everyone should know it and start to abuse siege attack on buildings. Korok has done it a couple times but beyond him there's nobody. Fuck, even Na'Vi will farm ES and pick Axe, which they won then lost, respectively. But I've never seen em use Tiny
Tiny is OP and everyone should know.
Fuck it I'm making t-shirts

Level 1 toss only increases the damage by 15%. I do think getting toss early should be done now, the old toss at 8 build was correct before all the buffs to toss that have been added. Now it's player's choice (and even if you skill toss at 6, it's still correct to have 3 avalanche, contrary to some player's beliefs.)

[changeofpace]

hows that work

level 3 --> level 4 ava is 40 damage

40*2 = 80

level 3 --> level 4 toss is 75

[snakebite654]

hows that work

level 3 --> level 4 ava is 40 damage

40*2 = 80

level 3 --> level 4 toss is 75

Yes and as 5-s said it probably is better to level the toss as the range increases as well. And you get even more damage from bonus from grow. The only thing against is ava is more reliable as a stun...still way more damage and range coming out of toss.
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As for Rana, I doubt anyone could ever convince you that an ES could go toe to toe with naix and beat him, but Navi did it. The required farm for Tiny to preform such a feat would be way less and as such should be given a chance before they try to farm up an earthshaker... You seem the type to lean against fringe picks so trying to convince you of some new strat is seemingly worthless.

[Legato]

Rana is fine with fringe picks yo. You're coming on saying that Tiny is gonna be a better melee dps than Antimage though, which is probably wrong if for no other reason than Tiny doesn't have a skill that makes him "basically" a range hero in terms of being able to get into the fray. The difference between an AM being able to blink into a fight and start beating down and a Tiny having to walk that extra 800 distance is pretty significant, even though Tiny gets mad +MS from grow.

That being said I think it's a fun(ny) idea and I wanna try it in scrims (having a babysat, free-farming Tiny going for a fast scepter etc.). I think you're overrating the advantages against melee heroes Tiny gets from craggy tho.

[Rana]

As for Rana, I doubt anyone could ever convince you that an ES could go toe to toe with naix and beat him, but Navi did it. The required farm for Tiny to preform such a feat would be way less and as such should be given a chance before they try to farm up an earthshaker... You seem the type to lean against fringe picks so trying to convince you of some new strat is seemingly worthless.

I have no issues with fringe picks. What I do have issues with is ideas that don't seem to be based on any sort of sound logic.

Also, who cares about Dendi's ES? Anything in the game can happen given the appropriate set of circumstances, that's obvious, but that's one game and is hardly supportive of anything you're getting at.

[Haxity]

I dont even remember the last time I went a magical dmg build with a blink+force or something close to that. His physical damage is SO fucking hard to counter. With Crystalys+Phase+Lothars you hit for 600+ crits, add a MoM to that and EVERYTHING is fucking paper. You are definitely a glass cannon, but with proper positioning and that insane MS you are SUCH a pain in the ass.

[Haxity]

http://stats.dota2.be/match/22225094

Almost pulled it off but their lycan was fucking huge and our team somehow managed to botch a teamfight at Roshan even though I got Aegis at the end...

1k crits with this build like np.

[snakebite654]

It's hard in pubs with Tiny. As carries such as AM or Void people expect the rice and play for it but with Tiny kids just bitch the whole time about you not having blink. I'm waiting for the opportunity to do it in a scrim but same as AM hardcarries or absolute DPSers are finding their niches becoming smaller and smaller.
All in all he's just a fun hero to watch cleave away the entire enemy team's support with a few well placed swipes.

[Haxity]

It's hard in pubs with Tiny. As carries such as AM or Void people expect the rice and play for it but with Tiny kids just bitch the whole time about you not having blink. I'm waiting for the opportunity to do it in a scrim but same as AM hardcarries or absolute DPSers are finding their niches becoming smaller and smaller.
All in all he's just a fun hero to watch cleave away the entire enemy team's support with a few well placed swipes.

Nothing is more satisfying than popping out of lothars with a crit for a 1200 dmg opener into a 900 dmg double toss into another melee for 500 dmg. I'll try to fit in aghs with my next build over upgraded crystalys and see how it goes, it does seem really imba if you have the farm for it.

[TidesofTime]

toss shorter cd longer range. More utility More spam. Grow makes you faster and your attacks more efficient. think the choice for this is obvious as shit regardless of damage. 4 toss 2 ava 1 grow

[snakebite654]

toss shorter cd longer range. More utility More spam. Grow makes you faster and your attacks more efficient. think the choice for this is obvious as shit regardless of damage. 4 toss 2 ava 1 grow

+1. level 7 = 4 toss, 2 ava, 1 grow

And honestly, Aghs is cheaper than Bfury and you can wipe the entire jungle with a Soul ring and Aghs in less than a minute. Rinse, repeat.

[Intelstyle]

Craggystats pass dat ass

[Haxity]

toss shorter cd longer range. More utility More spam. Grow makes you faster and your attacks more efficient. think the choice for this is obvious as shit regardless of damage. 4 toss 2 ava 1 grow

<3 Used this exact build in the game I posted lol.

[changeofpace]

thats such a bad build

[asrmatt]

is universe a high impact evil genius

[Haxity]

thats such a bad build

My tiny would fuckin bap you.

[Orrin"I make girls wet"Xu]

collin bullshit on that

[Haxity]

collin bullshit on that

http://stats.dota2.be/match/22386222

Bap'd.