I need help (deciding what to do with Wongs/betting)

[m0rphl1ng]

But it discourages activity (posting), and that's a bad thing.

I have some clever ideas for punishments like silencing that I think you guys will get a kick out of.

True, as a general rule of thumb, the site is more successful the more people post.

However, it would greatly drive up the value of wongs, and limiting the posting of one individual for small amount of time will hardly have any noticeable impact on the amount of posting.

Heck, remember how many people were silenced when slice had his survivor contest? What was it, about 10 people at once? If that didn't kill NADota's traffic, I doubt you have anything to worry about.

On the clever ideas for punishments, I can't think of anything more satisfying than silencing someone. Giving the user the ability to change someone's avatar/signature for a period of time would be pretty lame I think.

[Spit-wad]

You can't think of anything more satisfying than silencing someone?

Oh sir, you'll love what I have in store for you.

[Urban69ing]

Honestly I think the best idea is also the hardest to pull off but also the most risky.

Wongs will have no worth until you put worth into them. I think the subscription for wongs idea is nice; but it has no worth but for those that post on this site. If you can successfully put worth into them via dota2 items and other means then it would be a great thing, but that would require investment from you, in both time and money. I feel like dota2 items are rather cheap though (~.75 cents per a lot of the items) so you could realistically build a wong based economy that interacts with dota2 items. This would give wongs an actual value; and through this value you could start trading wongs for other things such as diablo3 items or what have you. This way you could eventually cease whatever investment you put in and you could have a tangible way to figure out how many wongs a subscription should be.

I hate to open this kind of thing up to suggestion; but people could get wongs for clicking on ads or something similar to fund your initial investment. If anything like this is possible it'd be cool as long as it wasn't some stupid survey system, but I'm sure you wouldn't do that.

EDIT:

Also the small details,
I'm obviously in favor of total removal.
I also think subscribers should get to pick their color, as that would be neat. Maybe have some colors unavailable like red for admins etc.

[m0rphl1ng]

Honestly I think the best idea is also the hardest to pull off but also the most risky.

Wongs will have no worth until you put worth into them. I think the subscription for wongs idea is nice; but it has no worth but for those that post on this site. If you can successfully put worth into them via dota2 items and other means then it would be a great thing, but that would require investment from you, in both time and money. I feel like dota2 items are rather cheap though (~.75 cents per a lot of the items) so you could realistically build a wong based economy that interacts with dota2 items. This would give wongs an actual value; and through this value you could start trading wongs for other things such as diablo3 items or what have you. This way you could eventually cease whatever investment you put in and you could have a tangible way to figure out how many wongs a subscription should be.

I hate to open this kind of thing up to suggestion; but people could get wongs for clicking on ads or something similar to fund your initial investment. If anything like this is possible it'd be cool as long as it wasn't some stupid survey system, but I'm sure you wouldn't do that.

EDIT:

Also the small details,
I'm obviously in favor of total removal.
I also think subscribers should get to pick their color, as that would be neat. Maybe have some colors unavailable like red for admins etc.

Cool kids get to pick colors. Subscribers/donators should get one specific color.

Why should anyone else be able to pay for Slice's green?

[Wololo]

k names are not only in pink.. bold, italic, underline, strikethrough and custom titles

also bring back blogs! i wanna read grandgrant's daily life and fluffnstuff ;d (assuming they're willing to post)

[Spit-wad]

also bring back blogs! i wanna read grandgrant's daily life and fluffnstuff ;d (assuming they're willing to post)

Nobody wants to write nor read blogs here. If they do, they certainly don't need nadota functionality to do so. There's no point in enabling extra features that will go to waste - it will just cause clutter and slow down the site.

I hate to open this kind of thing up to suggestion; but people could get wongs for clicking on ads or something similar to fund your initial investment. If anything like this is possible it'd be cool as long as it wasn't some stupid survey system, but I'm sure you wouldn't do that.

Encouraging users to click ads directly violates google's terms of use. Something like that will never happen here.

I do appreciate the rest of your feedback. I don't think subscribers will get to pick their colors, simply because there just aren't that many to choose from. All style changes are made by looking at the light skin. We already use Red, Blue, Green, Purple, and Pink. Yellow wouldn't work, so all we have left is Orange and other shades of the colors. It will become a mess and it's just not worth it. (besides the fact that there's no way I can give users the power to change their color - I would have to do it all manually, and it would be a pain)

[kittens.]

shove em up your butt

[m0rphl1ng]

shove em up your butt

At first I was going to say something about how this comment was retarded.

Then I paired it up with your signature and I laughed.

[kittens.]

At first I was going to say something about how this comment was retarded.

Then I paired it up with your signature and I laughed.

<3

[Ganked]

If our mafia forum was still active, wongs would be beloved currency.

[GranDGranT]

Well Me Nickwong And Dee still get 5 wongs from our last game.

Also, I used to write regular blogs just in off-topic, walmart shit is dope

[Chrome]

Maybe use them as a currency for scrims! Allow teams to bet their wongs against each other and have one caster stream the game for everyone to see. That would encourage people to gather wongs, although I'm not sure what you could put them towards other than ranking or buying forum bonuses such as animated sigs (I saw someone who wanted that). There is a vent associated with this vent so you could also offer admin or private channels.

[john`516]

Perhaps offer pro/iconic community members options to donate in alternative ways. For example, if you could get a Pro NA player to donate maybe 1+ MatchMaking Games then you can raffle that at the end of the month and therefore also incentivize monthly subs(If necessary offer Pro cut/free sub rates in exchange for their contribution). You would announce it at the onset of the month, so if I was a casual forum visitor I could see that $10 would get me a month of perks and entered into a raffle that could culminate in me getting to play with Korok. The same raffle could include other things such as Dota 2 Items, and you could accumulating them by having a generalized Item -> Wong trade in ratio. So right now I have duplicates of items so maybe I would trade them in for Wongs(which would be proportionate to the items rarity) and gain Wongs which could be used towards whatever. Then with the raffle thing make it so that Sub = like 5 raffle tickets and X wongs could get an additional 1 raffle ticket. So if I wanted to play with Korok so bad I would trade in some cool items and increase my chances.

Just a random idea I had.

[GreyPowerVan]

I could see that $10 would get me a month of perks and entered into a raffle that could culminate in me getting to play with Korok.
Just a random idea I had.

that sounds okay, im sure pubs would donate for that.

10/month for a subscription? if i wanted to pay that much, I'd go buy an mmo.

3 levels of subs, 2.50 to remove ads, 5.00 for some other shit, 8 for the current idea you had. I'd pay 8 a month, i guess.


And yeah, make a certain $ value of items worth XXX amount of wongs. That may work.

[rsf-gosu]

can i get 1000 wongs if i get an NADota tattoo and post a pic

[Legato]

not really sure what the advantage of reading the backroom threads is. not really sure actually what the purpose of the backroom is. definitely not worth money to me, and (realistically) not going to play forum games for wongs because it'd be more efficient to just buy in with actual money.

nobody wants to deal with the hassle of regulating and streaming scrims for wongs, plus scrims are for testing shit and practicing so turning it into a quasi-meaningful competition seems like a terrible idea. secs already accomplishes this and that in and of itself wasn't enough of an incentive to keep it as active as it really needs to be to be worth running

silencing people with wongs is fucking dumb, if for no other reason than it's grossly asymmetrical (I have no interest in silencing anyone on this forum, so wongs are "worthless" to me in this regard; there are people, like morphling, who would probably be fine with silencing me, making the wongs more valuable to him). As a general rule you want your currency to have the same value to everybody. it also raises important questions like what if you paid for your subscription to nadota (with money)? if someone is just gonna silence you for a week or whatever then it makes that week of your subscription pretty much worthless (yeah you can still read the forums but this kind of goes back to my comments about reading backroom, there's no fucking point in being able to read threads that you can't post in. implicitly, the point of having subscriptions/membership/etc. is to promote participation in the forum, and participation in the forum is predicated on the capacity to post.)

anyway this is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with more shit later

[m0rphl1ng]

not really sure what the advantage of reading the backroom threads is. not really sure actually what the purpose of the backroom is. definitely not worth money to me, and (realistically) not going to play forum games for wongs because it'd be more efficient to just buy in with actual money.

nobody wants to deal with the hassle of regulating and streaming scrims for wongs, plus scrims are for testing shit and practicing so turning it into a quasi-meaningful competition seems like a terrible idea. secs already accomplishes this and that in and of itself wasn't enough of an incentive to keep it as active as it really needs to be to be worth running

silencing people with wongs is fucking dumb, if for no other reason than it's grossly asymmetrical (I have no interest in silencing anyone on this forum, so wongs are "worthless" to me in this regard; there are people, like morphling, who would probably be fine with silencing me, making the wongs more valuable to him). As a general rule you want your currency to have the same value to everybody. it also raises important questions like what if you paid for your subscription to nadota (with money)? if someone is just gonna silence you for a week or whatever then it makes that week of your subscription pretty much worthless (yeah you can still read the forums but this kind of goes back to my comments about reading backroom, there's no fucking point in being able to read threads that you can't post in. implicitly, the point of having subscriptions/membership/etc. is to promote participation in the forum, and participation in the forum is predicated on the capacity to post.)

anyway this is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with more shit later

Currency has to have the same value for every individual? I think you're better than that Legato.

Also:

there are people, like morphling, who would probably be fine with silencing me

Where did this come from? Jesus.

[Legato]

I was mostly utilizing the fact that you are in support of allowing the use of wongs to silence people and merely giving the example that you might silence me using wongs; I simply used myself as an example target to provide the contrast that I really have no interest in silencing anybody. It wasn't meant to be a commentary on my perception of your attitude towards my posts in general (though I can see how it came off that way).

On the currency thing: while it is true that it is impossible for wongs to have truly identical value to everybody, I guess what I was trying to get at is it's important for them to have some utility for all forumgoers who would accumulate them (e.g. by donation, participation in mafia, etc.). If the primary use of wongs is silencing other users, they have (essentially) no utility to forum users who have no interest in silencing them, whereas they have significant utility to users of the opposite attitude. "Real" currency (dollars and cents) has the same utility to everyone who acquires it (generally speaking) because there is such a wide range of uses for it (i.e. I can use it to buy a gallon of milk or I can use it to buy a two liter of pop; having the option let's me maximize the utility of my money and that in turn means that everyone who is spending money is, in theory, falling in some bandwidth of utility). Because wongs are necessarily more narrow as a currency, having a few uses for them that are more-or-less unilaterally appealing seems simpler (to me) than coming up with a set of uses where each user is shoehorned into the one or two uses that he finds useful and has to ignore the other choices. Which, really, means that if I am very much in the minority on this (though I don't think I am) and 99% of users would derive utility from using wongs to silence or be silenced, then using wongs to silence is a perfectly fine use under this regime.

[m0rphl1ng]

Not quoting that massive wall of text.

Nobody said silencing should be the primary or only use of wongs, but it's a fun little way to use them.

Furthermore, look at the people who have been silenced. Remember how fucking retarded wololo used to be? Then he tanked the longest silence anyone had delivered on these boards. Now he's a positive contributor to our little community.

It's fun. I enjoy it. I'll champion the silencing via Wong system. However, there are some basic objective reasons why it could be viewed as a detriment. However, I don't think any amount of silencing will lead to a noticeable decrease in posting, and I don't think it would lead towards discouraging people from posting in the future after they're unsilenced.

[Legato]

The potential for some pretty egregious abuse is there. A small group of people could effectively ban someone from the forums indefinitely by chaining together silences.